Weazl's Revenge: The end of the debate over whether fascism is dead

Sunday, August 26, 2007

The end of the debate over whether fascism is dead

20 comments:

Anonymous said...: saw this a while ago. good presentation & voice over.

my question is, was it ever all that different? Does it matter?

But I do feel like a hypocrite; I like hot water and soap, but can you imagine 6 billion people using hot water and soap?

//fan; 4:42 PM
Da Weaz said...: Is it different? Yes. I do not think it is like that right now in Slovenia.

You?; 4:48 PM
The Freewheeling Socrates said...: War is a racket. A money making racket for the fascists who produce the weapons of war, own the media, and divert your attention with Hollywood bad girls, ball games, game shows, sitcoms, fictional dramas, and talent shows.

Over one million Iraqis are dead since the "Shock and Awe," but you wouldn't know from the main stream media. And Bush Jr. forgot to mention the other day that 3 million Vietamese people died during the American occupation of Vietnam.

These aren't even wars, anonymous. It is the ongoing disposal of weaponry produced by the oligarchy in charge of the United States who would play god until the rubber hits the road vis a vis the USA v. Russia & China.; 5:00 PM
Da Weaz said...: Soc comes through again with a rather perfect short synopsis.; 5:01 PM
The Freewheeling Socrates said...: By the way, I thought I might mention that today is my 55th birthday. You are now hearing from a senior citizen.

hooaah!; 5:02 PM
Da Weaz said...: Happy Birthday from the weazl.

Three cheers for Soc!; 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: ZOMG....!!?? you're onto me....

I feel those same 14 arguments are in fact a driving force making the US a superpower in every respect.

Personal freedom, intellectualism tends to yield bad consumers, bad economies. I think this is the end of the bourgeoisie society as such. You can't have well informed people with personal freedom and endless economic growth. it is not a matter of "fascism" and Evil-Bush it is just far more efficient in economic terms.

Back here people have a completely different mind set, in the absence of nation-myths, personal freedom takes over, yet in the last 15 years people started to conform. People here were smart, but guess what? People who read Sartre and Tolstoy don't buy DVDs, they don't long for $150 Nike shoes to "jog". You end up smart, hungry and inevitable drunk (Russia style). Yet we too are slowly folding into the stack in the worst imaginable way.

e.g.
I think last year the church put in place a plaque in a tiny chapel on top of mount Triglav in honour of blessed [sic] Alojzie Stepinac a cardinal who said, quote: God, who directs the destiny of nations and controls the hearts of Kings, has given us Ante Pavelic and moved the leader of a friendly and allied people, Adolf Hitler, to use his victorious troops to disperse our oppressors and enable us to create an Independent State of Croatia. Glory be to God, our gratitude to Adolph Hitler, and infinite loyalty to our fuhrer Ante Pavelic [sic]

See? You got me all upset now... where's my comfort food??

//fan; 5:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Happy birthday stranger Freewheeling Socrates.

mentioning the iraqi body count, i noticed something peculiar.

When the body-count does not serve an agenda (IRAQ), bodies get counted every day, every day there's a constant drip of blood, yet nobody can put the numbers together resulting in incredibly disparaging estimates that ultimately discredit the whole issue.

Yet when the body-count does serve an agenda (SUDAN), nobody is counting the bodies, yet everyone has a nice number ready from the get go.

//fan; 5:35 PM
Da Weaz said...: Yeah, personal freedom may not be the best aider and abetter to economic growth, but truly evolved people will realize that economic growth means nothing in particular. Humans do not live for economic growth. The fact that people consume less stuff does not necessarily mean that their quality of life suffers.

If people are drinking too much, this might be simply a reflection of an awareness of how fucked we are. Perhaps not a cheerful prospect, but definitely not a symptom of stupidity but of powerlessness.

And yeah, there might be an certain emptiness in the absence of religious, personal or national myths. Life is not really easy, especially when you really have to give meaning to yourself.

And yes, "God" who controls nations and destinies did a great job with Hitler.

Just more evidence of how useless a concept god is, except for mobilizing the feeble minded and providing a comfort for the dying.

But I did hear that Croatia is a beautiful place. And I'd am looking forward to visiting either one of the Slo-Slo countries, as well.

Dobre vecer.

(at least that is what they would say v Praze. but the weazl can't know everything. ;-)

Cheers; 5:46 PM
The Freewheeling Socrates said...: After years of nothingness this site has finally come alive. Stay with us, anonymous, you're a cool dude.

The One and Only Socrates, with requested permission of Professor Weazl, hereby grants anonymous full entrance, rights, and privilidges in the Cool Dude Society.

And that'll be that.

To quote the Freewheeling Socrates, "God is a fraud and all religions are false."

And another thing. The truth is explosive. It's like a drug high. The mass of cattle who are shunted by their masters through the halls of darkness from cradle to grave are losers, or as you might put it, mindless consumers and that's all they're good for. Henry Kissinger has called them "useless eaters."

Religion, royalty, and lately, corporations are the three biggest frauds ever invented to bamboozle the masses into obedience and submission.

Weazl and Socrates are free thinkers, always in pursuit of the truth. We have to pursue it because it is like finding a needle in a haystack. And, voila, when it suddenly rears its beautiful face and electrifies the brain timber, lids blow off, chaff flies away, and the sun, moon, planets, and stars sing a delectable song of how the ancient astrology was corrupted by evil money grubbers who lied that the sacred myths were real.

And the fucking cattle were made to believe it at the point of a sword.; 6:23 PM
Da Weaz said...: BTW, the US is a dying superpower, red giant ready to collapse into a black hole, and like stars, it doesn't happen in an instant, but we are now the earth's supernova.

It has gone past the point of no return.; 6:23 PM
Da Weaz said...: I agree with Soc.; 6:26 PM
The Freewheeling Socrates said...: Yes yes yes and yes.

Godamn we're on fire!

I'm ready, are you Weaze?

Bring on the donuts!; 6:27 PM
Da Weaz said...: I've been ready for a long time. Sad thing is though that precious few people are ready to explore ideas, debate and refine.

But I am a fan of //fan, though I don't agree with many of his(?) ideas, I do respect his willingness to put them up for scrutiny.; 6:31 PM
Anonymous said...: And yeah, there might be an certain emptiness in the absence of religious, personal or national myths. Life is not really easy, especially when you really have to give meaning to yourself.

That's very nicely put!
I lived in the Freeworld for a few years and realised you can give up yourself to the collective. you renounce your self and jump into this broth of spiritual materialism (flag, god, #1, freedom...). It does feel good, it is immensely empowering, incredibly effortless, yet selfless, devoid. In a way it's like Buddhism , yet strangely enough the exact opposite...

:-)

Humans do not live for economic growth. The fact that people consume less stuff does not necessarily mean that their quality of life suffers.
The human body is designed to suffer and feel discomfort in order to survive. Capitalism caters to this basic instinct. I am not sure as to what amount of effort it would require to engineer a human being so spiritually rich, who would fend this ultimately destructive urges - which Socialism tamed at a great price. My experience? It seems to me smart, informed people are not a functional asset for nation building. The might of the US system (mindless masses with "education" + elite) seems to confirm this uneasy conviction.

//fan; 6:35 PM
Da Weaz said...: "My experience? It seems to me smart, informed people are not a functional asset for nation building."

You are exactly right, because "nation" building, like army building requires the suspension of critical thought. The "nation" IS a mythology: people ascribing a whole set of ready made beliefs to a piece of land and creating the mythology of an intrinsic connection between the people who occupy the land and the land itself. So yes, the euphoria of ignorance and loss of identity that you experienced in the US is of absolutely no surprise and it is something that we ALL have experienced (who have spent a bit of time in the US). I myself have been lost in this euphoria as a die-hard Oakland Raider fan where you can high five and grab strangers when a millionaire catches a football and outruns another millionaire in a red shirt past a white line. I have shared this experience when buying expensive stuff and having a certain bond with the entire communal ritual of pulling out a plastic card and having some grinning worker look at me with approval as she wraps up a shirt into a bag very carefully in this nearly religious act of fitting into social norms. I have experienced this living in Silicon Valley during the 90's when everyone would genuflect in mutual admiration of being swept up in this new cash cow of a moneymaking monster called the internet and technology companies.

So I do understand the appeal.

But at the end of the day when you move beyond the initial attraction you realize that it is essentially meaningless, and the consumption for its own sake is not gratifying. And the West is quickly realizing this, and while Eastern countries, long deprived from the "thrill" of consumption are still just intoxicated by the idea, other European countries that have not been so deprived are struggling with any type of meaning at all. The result of that is often to define meaning by creating an "other" from which to implicitly define one's self. So in the case of many European countries the convenient "other" has been Islam and Muslims or "immigrants" in general. In the US it has been all of these, plus the added drive of war as a mobilizing force.

If the people of the US and Europe ever realized that Islam wasn't a threat and Muslims were not the enemy, they might realize that aside from being creatures of consumption, their lives mean absolutely jack shit.

Much better to demonize Muslims to avoid that existential hangover.; 7:02 PM
The Freewheeling Socrates said...: Everything is nothing.

Our natural state is eternal nonexistence, punctuated by 70 years of whatever the hell this is that we got here.

The first life on earth as the crust formed, ca. 4 billion year ago, is in the fossil record and denoted as bacteria.

The human race is a swarm of divergent bacteria and fungus depleting a once fertile host (earth), and the event is finite.

Voltaire said the human race is a bunch of insects devouring each other on a pebble of dirt.

When the heart stops pumping, consciousness disappears. Then we rest. Probably not before.; 7:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I am blushing here. Thanks for the honey sweet praise.

Nice to have a little one on one with the fab Weazl -LL main-event ... and "Senior citizen age 55".

:-)

Voltaire said the human race is a bunch of insects devouring each other on a pebble of dirt.

It sounds so fitting, yet lacking a certain 'Christian' He loves you - yeah, yeah, yeah twist.

I'll stick around, perhaps even get an identity (I hate nicks). Say, how did you snoop my location?

//fan; 11:40 PM
Da Weaz said...: Nothing special. Nearly every site has a sitemeter that allows you to monitor how many people are coming onto the site, where they are from. I could even tell you that you're using a Macintosh OS with a pretty high resolution, as well, but then again you might think that I am getting nosey.

Nothing is sacred on the internet. All the more reason why you might like the government to have restrictions about snooping.

It's not a "conspiracy theory". I am not even trying to get information, but know who your internet provider is, the town your logging in from and could even try to find out who you are if I tried.

(But your secrets are safe with me).

Welcome to Weazl's Revenge!

(get a nickname. you probably have one already on liveleak, and poor ole Soc is really having a whale of a time calling you anonymous ;-); 12:29 AM
Anonymous said...: I see you have T3h internets skills0rz!!!

m3 t00!!

PS there are so many open threads here and so little time...

//fan; 1:04 AM

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