Weazl isn't one to try to spread nasty little rumors, especially without much credible evidence. But certain chatter, which weazl will admit is not totally reliable have been talking about the sinking of an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf as the pretext for the attack against Iran. Weazl's sources tell him that it is the USS Enterprise, which was scheduled to be retired soon. Unlike 911, the criminals have had a little practice sinking aircraft carriers for this one. Last year, they sunk the USS America, which took a helluva long time to sink at 25 days, but now they've gotten it better with the USS Oriskany which sank in only 45 minutes.
And the MASSIVE NAVAL DEPLOYMENT, which includes the USS Eisenhower taking place makes this scenario more likely and worth mentioning.
Anyway, weazl's words of advice in this time of fascism and great criminality: hope for the best, but expect the worst.
Weazl would love to be wrong. But we're dealing with the worst that's ever been.
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The link you have regarding teh Enterprise is taking about the Eisenhower not the Enterprise.
Thanks for catching the mistake. It is the Enterprise that is rumored to be attacked. But you're right, the link referenced the deployment of the Eisenhower. I have made the appropriate correction. Once again, thanks for the heads up. We aim to be as accurate as possible. ;-)
So what is the source of the possible attack on the Enterprise, or her being deployed?
I definitely don't want to suggest that I have detailed information on this point. But looking at Vietnam, and the Spanish American War, there is a proven history for this sort of thing. So I would rather spread the word, even if it is not proven in fact, to hopefully allow these rumors to bubble up into the mainstream, so that if enough people are talking about it in advance, if there are such plans in the making, they would have to be shelved. Hopefully this makes sense to you.
I am curious what the source of the unreliable chatter is regarding an attack on the Enterprise. Also where do you get the info that is being deployed to the gulf??
There are a number of sources, but because I said that I am not sure of their reliability I don't want to cite them. I am simply passing along information that should be judged on its own merits. As far as the information about deployments go, I have included the links that you are aware of regarding the recent military build up in the area.
Rest assured, if I get information that I believe is more solidly credible, I will cite it, as I do with nearly all of the sources on this blog.
Because I usually rest upon more solid ground, I tend not to pass along rumors. But because of the other factors that I mentioned, I thought that this rumor was worth passing along, even if a bit premature, as I explained.
Cheers. Hope this helps.
Here's news about the Eisenhower's deploying:
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=5491098&nav=23ii
And even further chatter on the subject may be found here:
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2006/10/04/could-there-be-an-october-surprise-something-to-do-with-iran-c/
But there are other sources as well
Carl Rove’s October Surprise ?
I am writing this because I served on the U.S.S Dwight D. Eisenhower, and I believe that
my ship has been knowingly ordered into setup that will cost thousands of lives. All for political purposes. I urge all spouses, relatives and friends of naval personnel to read the following and take it to heart
I am writing so that this administration cannot say they didn’t know, Or how could we have for-seen such an event.
Do you believe the republicans are afraid of losing power in the House and Senate?
I believe they are shaking in there boots, as the House would most likely initiate
1. Impeachment proceedings of both and Bush and Cheney
Followed by more in depth investigations into
a) 9/11
b) 2 failed wars (one illegal) & war profiteering (Halliburton no bid contracts )
c) Election Fraud, Black Box voting.
(If corrected , This could ensure republican election defeats for years)
d) Corruption inside the Republican party
f) The depletion of “we the peoples” Silver Strategic Stockpiles, by the
Silver User Association ( Think, Rumsfeld, Cheney ) .
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/war&silver.html
g) Media consolidation and its correlation to destructive cults/mind control . i.e milieu control: the control of all communication within a given environment
And speaking of cults, maybe a new Congress would look into Rev Sun Myung Moons influence & backing of the Christian Coalition, How Washington is drowning in Moon money and what influence he really has over every American. Or maybe this is just normal??
http://www.bettyelders.com/moonies.htm
Moonie leader 'crowned' in Senate, anyway….
Do you believe George Bush may be taking George Orwell’s 1984 thoughts to heart …
“ the ruling caste and its sole desire is to gain power, have power, and keep the
power – forever”
If so, Then what could the Republicans do to foster strong nationalistic feelings, get everyone rallying around the flag/leader again. Give them an excuse to further erode our Constitution and civil liberties, perhaps declare marshal law and re-institute the draft.
I got it, How about if we’re attacked again?
Would the loss of thousands of American lives, be enough to get everyone waving their flags again?. Would it cause a bounce in republican polling numbers?
And just one more thought before we get to it . If George Bush believes that the Geneva conventions are vague in their definitions of torture, I wonder why no one is questioning the vagueness of Bush’s possible use of the AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107
To possibly preemptively attack Iran nukes?
Now , lets get to it ….. Is this Carl Rove’s October Surprise ? ,
I sincerely hope this does not happen.
Thousands of American souls are right now as you read this, sailing to the Persian Gulf.
All of these ships are knowingly being sent within range of Iran’s SS-N-22 (Sunburn) and the even more advanced SS-NX-26 (Yakhonts) Missiles, The Yakhonts guidance system is able to distinguish an aircraft carrier from its escorts. These missiles are considered the most lethal anti-ship missiles in the world,
I have taken snippets from all of these articles, Please feel free to read them in their entirety. And also note that internet searches , for the keywords “sunburn iran” “bush moonie” “Rumsfeld silver sua “ will yield even more info.
Lets first talk about the ships , Then we will look at the threat , Then we’ll point out what some republicans senators have said about this threat in the past.
The Ships
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/17/what-war-with-iran-would-look-like/
As Time writes in its cover story, "What Would War Look Like?," evidence of the forward deployment of minesweepers and word that the chief of naval operations had asked for a reworking of old plans for mining Iranian harbors "suggest that a much discussed--but until now largely theoretical--prospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061009/lindorff
Bush Administration and the Pentagon have moved up the deployment of a major "strike group" of ships, including the nuclear aircraft carrier Eisenhower as well as a cruiser, destroyer, frigate, submarine escort and supply ship, to head for the Persian Gulf, just off Iran's western coast.
Other official sources in the public affairs office of the Navy Department at the Pentagon confirm that this powerful armada is scheduled to arrive off the coast of Iran on or around October 21.
BTW: A carrier alone has 6000+ souls
The Threat
http://www.defense-update.com/2005/12/why-would-iran-want-cruise-missiles.html
Intelligence assessments indicate that Iran has purchased supersonic 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missiles (NATO code-name SS-N-22 (“Sunburn” or Mosquito) anti-shipping cruise missiles, which are extremely fast, giving the defender a maximum of 25-30 second response time until impact.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310505.shtml
Iran is sitting on a stockpile of Exorcet, Sunburn 22 and SS-NX-26 Yakhonts missiles. The Fifth Fleet sits at Qatar and it is within range of the Sunburn-22 and Yakhonts. Iran is said to have commercial freighters equipped with Exocets that will be in port at the time.
The 5th Fleet sits in a lake surrounded by Iran's rugged mountains and will be decimated by the missiles. The U.S. fleet will arrive in the Indian Ocean but will be helpless because the straits of Hormuz will be a Phalanx of hundreds of Exocets.
http://www.softwar.net/rfed.html
The Raduga Moskit anti-ship missile is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world. The MOSKIT is designed to fly as low as 9 feet at over 1,500 miles per hour, faster than a rifle bullet. The missile uses a violent pop-up maneuver for its terminal approach to throw off Phalanx and other anti-missile defense.
http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm
according to Jane's Defense Weekly and other sources, Iranian government officials were in Moscow the previous year (2001), shopping for the latest Russian anti-ship missile technology.7 By their own admission the Russians developed the Yakhonts missile for export. No doubt, it was high on Iran's shopping list.
It flies at close to Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound), can hit a squirrel in the eye, and has a range of 185 miles: enough range to target the entire Persian Gulf (from Iran)
According to the GAO report, "the key to defeating cruise missile threats is in gaining additional reaction time," so that ships can detect, identify and destroy the attacking missiles. The thorny problem, as I've pointed out, is that the Navy's long-range AWACs and intermediate-range Aegis radar defense systems are significantly less effective in littoral (or coastal) environments, the Persian Gulf being the prime example.
The 2000 GAO report's conclusions were not favorable. It stated that for a variety of reasons the Navy's forecasts for upgrading US ship defenses against cruise missile attack are overly optimistic. The Navy's own data shows that there will be no silver bullet. The technology gap is structural, and will not be overcome for many years, if at all. US warships will be vulnerable to cruise missile attack into the foreseeable future, perhaps increasingly so.
But the GAO saved its most sobering conclusion for last: It so happens that the most vulnerable ship in the US fleet is none other than the flagship itself, the big Nimitz-class carriers
http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm
The Sunburn's combined supersonic speed and payload size produce tremendous kinetic energy on impact, with devastating consequences for ship and crew. A single one of these missiles can sink a large warship, yet costs considerably less than a fighter jet. Although the Navy has been phasing out the older Phalanx defense system, its replacement, known as the Rolling Action Missile (RAM) has never been tested against the weapon it seems destined to one day face in combat. Implications For US Forces in the Gulf
The US Navy's only plausible defense against a robust weapon like the Sunburn missile is to detect the enemy's approach well ahead of time, whether destroyers, subs, or fighter-bombers, and defeat them before they can get in range and launch their deadly cargo. For this purpose US AWACs radar planes assigned to each naval battle group are kept aloft on a rotating schedule. The planes "see" everything within two hundred miles of the fleet, and are complemented with intelligence from orbiting satellites.
But US naval commanders operating in the Persian Gulf face serious challenges that are unique to the littoral, i.e., coastal, environment. A glance at a map shows why: The Gulf is nothing but a large lake, with one narrow outlet, and most of its northern shore, i.e., Iran, consists of mountainous terrain that affords a commanding tactical advantage over ships operating in Gulf waters.
The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile.
Try and imagine it if you can: barrage after barrage of Exocet-class missiles, which the Iranians are known to possess in the hundreds, as well as the unstoppable Sunburn and Yakhonts missiles.
The US ships in the Gulf will already have come within range of the Sunburn missiles and the even more-advanced SS-NX-26 Yakhonts missiles, also Russian-made (speed: Mach 2.9; range: 180 miles) deployed by the Iranians along the Gulf's northern shore. Every US ship will be exposed and vulnerable. When the Iranians spring the trap, the entire lake will become a killing field.
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=2439
The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors
Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system. Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an initial order for six of the missiles.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Central_Asia_watch/Attach_Iran_Folly.html
by William Rivers Pitt
Of all the missiles in Iran's armament, the most dangerous is the Russian-made SS-N-22 Sunburn. These missiles are, simply, the fastest anti-ship weapons on the planet. The Sunburn can reach Mach 3 at high altitude. Its maximum low-altitude speed is Mach 2.2, some three times faster than the American-made Harpoon. The Sunburn takes two short minutes to cover its full range. The missile's manufacturers state that one or two missiles could cripple a destroyer, and five missiles could sink a 20,000 ton ship. The Sunburn is also superior to the Exocet missile. Recall that it was two Exocets that ripped the USS Stark to shreds in 1987, killing 37 sailors. The Stark could not see them to stop them.
The Sunburn missile, with its incredible speed and ability to avoid radar detection, would do terrible damage these ships if Iran chooses to retaliate in the Gulf
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/maund/maund092906.html
There is a fair chance that Iran will succeed in closing the Straits of Hormuz, using advanced missiles supplied by Russia to sink any enemy vessels near their coast, including US aircraft carriers, which have no effective defense against these supersonic, low-flying, precision accurate missiles.
Republican comments on these missiles
http://www.rense.com/general2/misc.htm
The SS-N-22 is the most dangerous anti-ship missile in the Russian, and now the Chinese, fleet," said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican.
The missile has a range of 65 miles and can deliver nuclear or conventional warheads.
http://lists.state.gov/SCRIPTS/WA-USIAINFO.EXE?A2=ind0009a&L=us-china&D=1&H=1&O=D&P=237
Or How about Jessie Helms stating , September 5, 2000
"The terminal flight path of the Sunburn makes it very difficult for any U.S. defense system, including Aegis, to track and shoot down the Sunburn."
SUNBURN
YAKHONTS
Thank you for your great post. Though I have heard (as is reported in this article that it is the USS Enterprise. Here are some more recent articles:
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=5487200&nav=23ii
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=1933b649-c413-4a06-a8dd-f29b74c09410
Sources have said the USS Enterprise was selected because it is old and was scheduled for the junkyards in 2010. This makes it much more useful.
But as weazl has noted: 1) he doesn't know for sure, and 2) it doesn't matter so much WHICH ship gets hit, the real disgusting thing is evidence mounting THAT a ship will be hit.
But it is also refreshing to find so many people coming to the site to look at the evidence. It shows that we really have come a long way from the immediate post 911 days where the publics gullability was at an all time high.
Now we see that, as shown by the sinking of the USS Oriskany, the Bush cabal want to make use of a SPECTACULAR SINKING that (like the USS Liberty) will leave few to no survivors, and (like the Twin Towers) will be effected through the use of plastic explosives set at critical places to achieve as rapid a sinking as possible.
If we can get the word out that we have great suspicions. That we WILL NOT BELIEVE THAT IRAN HAS INITIATED THIS WAR, AND THAT WE WILL DEMAND NOT JUST IMPEACHMENT BUT PROSECUTIONS, then we will be going somewhere.
And yes, you are right about the Republican fear, and you are right about the Republican dirty laundry that can be unearthed, and you are right about the motivations of these people to hide their crimes.
They came in as criminals, stealing elections and disenfranchising voters, and apparently they won't stop their criminality until they are led out in chains. Unfortunately, who will do that? Alberto Gonzales? Hardly.
And that means that we kinda are up shit's creek without a paddle.
But recognizing that there's a problem is the first step towards treating it.
And if this Congressional election thing doesn't work out, because of prefabricated wars or vote stealing, the we have to realize that the democratic process is irreparably broken and then have to figure out how we can take our democracy back.
Correction
And just one more thought before we get to it . If George Bush believes that the Geneva conventions are vague in their definitions of torture, I wonder why no one is questioning the vagueness of Bush’s possible use of the AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107
I meant to say
To possibly preemptively attack Iran WITH nukes?
" Wonder how India and Pakistan would feel about nuclear fallout
floating in over threir countries "
Great analysis, but I sure hope you're wrong. I have put your article on my blog with a link back here.
http://getrealnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-it-new-next-911.html
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