Weazl's Revenge: The brilliant Peter Dale Scott on 9/11 and JFK.

Sunday, August 26, 2007

The brilliant Peter Dale Scott on 9/11 and JFK.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...: Went through it... kind of longwinded, is it not? We go here and we go there and there's this thing and that thing, bear in mind this, remember that...

Mostly very broad strokes, philosophising and then suddenly micro details, names and addresses sort of.

Similarly to neo-cons, he already has a frame, he is merely grasping for "facts" to fill it. Difference is, neo-cons need only a 15 seconds jingle with 3D graphics and string music to get their message across.

I am intrigued by this amerikan ambivalence, either they(you) are like "bald eagle strike the evildoers in the name of the Lord" or "skull&bones chip implants & NWO".

//fan; 4:22 PM
Da Weaz said...: Yeah, he already has a frame because he has been writing about these things for decades, so sometimes it requires that people do a bit of background reading. He was talking to JFK researchers who already know a lot about issues of which others are clueless.

The idea that "everybody and everything is the same" is just an excuse for lazy people to stay ignorant of facts and information.

Peter Dale Scott has been doing critical work for years addressing things that the neo cons and apologists simply deny. There is no relevant comparison.

But I understand that not all information makes its way to Europe and so people have a good excuse to not know so much about the more hidden history of the United States. But instead of simply thinking that everything and anything is a conspiracy or claim thereof, it might be well worth ordering some books online and have them delivered to you.

Critical thinking skills are essential. Relevant information even more so.; 4:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey, come on Weazl, don't get snippy with me. It's not my fault you're in exile. I am no stupido, yes?

I firmly believe 'dialogue' is a Western myth, 'dialogue' is an euphemism for two salesmen exchanging rants.

What is 'Relevant information'? I can take you and that... scumbag, whats his name - Kristol, and take you back in the 1st grade elementary school and take you both through all the "relevant information" and "facts"... and in the end? It would not matter. For some "relevant information" is Mr.Peter Dale Scott for other is watching "300" (it will open your eyes!!!!) and in the absence of the absolute (god, tyrant)....

I am sure Peter Dale Scott is a genuine, outstanding person, it is just that I did not find his presentation convincing and on a couple of tiny details (like KLA) I could "objectively" reject it as flawed.

//fan; 6:07 PM
Da Weaz said...: I am not "getting snippy", but I would LOVE for you to share what you know about the KLA and explain why Mr. Scott is wrong. We have no interest in protecting bad ideas, but to compare Mr. Scott to people who run from facts is a bit absurd (to me). To be honest, I have sad in his living room and discussed these matters, and while that little piece of trivia may suggest that I am biased, I usually use such opportunity to CHALLENGE rather than assuage the opinions of my hosts. And I find him pretty engaging, and pretty sharp on the facts.

But if you want to share your thoughts on WHY and HOW he is wrong on a place closer to your geographic zone that would be MOST welcome.; 6:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Off for now, to be cont. later.; 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: OK, now where were we?

I think that once people develop o pattern of though, they apply it and with notable satisfaction and more importantly consolation realise it does "fit". Some people(say U.S.) see this world as good/evil kind of a deal and everywhere they apply their mindset, the reality gauged reflects the starting parameters - islam evil etc. Some people develop a more "sinister" world-view and tend to always peek around the corner and under the furniture(say left intellectuals). Now, the latter - they are not stupid, they are weary, cautious. However one thing I noticed years ago - in regards to Yugoslavia - many american intellectuals in their somehow justified world-view of US dominance, tend to attribute way too much emphasis on the US role just to make also the Balkans “fit” in the proven sort of Banana-republic paradigm of US power.

From my point of view, the US had little or no interest to be entangled in the Balkans in any way. Yugoslavia was not on the coldwar chessboard, the US sort of dismissed the whole region as non-critical to US interests. It was leftovers, a sandbox for EU diplomacy (the good it did...). Now fast-forward to Kosovo. In the ‘90s Albanians took over organized crime all over Europe after a couple of financial crashes in Albania (pyramid schemes made in Italy) sort of started a mass exodus of a disillusioned nation. Although Kosovo albanians are way different then their brothers/cousins in Albania, the albanian crime-hold created an economic basis for the KLA. So yes, KLA is more or less a crime funded guerilla. They fared pretty well for a while... against Serbian police, but once the army stepped in plus the drunken butcher squads, they were mopped into Albania and Macedonia with ease (and ensuring horror for the population left behind). Foreign fighters? Once I saw a clip from the front lines in Bosnia, the bosniaks had a couple of arab mujeheeds in their unit, guess what? They wouldn’t even give them weapons, because they deemed them mentally unstable and merely a nuisance, yet they couldn't let them go, because of muslim world PR. Yet I imagine in the US the presence of mujaheeds in Bosnia sparked a string of 500 pages books on the issue and new “Experts”. To imply the famed&imaginary Al-Qaeda had “links” to KLA is totally off the charts, I am sure they have “proof” and “facts” as Powell had them... of the irrefutable sort. All albanians are very phlegmatic in regards to religion and highly xenophobic, exclusive. To draw them into some global conspiracy stretching from Washington to Kabul might “fit” some pattern but it goes pretty much everything I know about this people.

America is a highly organized society and it is only natural for amerikans to expect the same patterns of organization around the world (think Global Al-Qaeda with thousands of cells...), but I think it does not “fit”. It’s like a chess player facing a checkers player and after each move the chess player is intrigued by the seemingly diabolic move chosen by the opponent. If people around the world were as organized as amerikans (including nice Mr. Scott & evil Mr.Kristol) tend to suggest, believe me Kosovo would look like North California and “Al-Qaeda” would be a giant multi-national corporation with fat wages&benefits.

Kosovo was nothing more then a self-indulging US game and a zesty opportunity to stick it to the Reds (again). The more the Russians wanted to have a voice, the more the US sought to gain a say and impose “a solution” to punish those who oppose the US and to reward those who root for the A-team. 101 math. Independent Kosovo? I sure hope not, they are not capable of organizing themselves within a viable state constrained by late 20th century standards.

Ooh man... what is your going rate per 1000 words? :-) Too long. Tired. Now.

//fan; 11:21 PM
Da Weaz said...: I think your "feel" for the Albanians and KLA is woefully short on facts. There is quite an extensive paper trail of writing detailing extensive covert activity of narcotics trafficking and arms running by covert agencies of the US and the KLA. I think that you underestimate the involvement of the CIA in the day to day operations of countries that you think "don't matter." I wonder what you think was the reason for the US bombing of Serbia and their hostility towards Milosovic, the man who had earlier been praised by Washington as the great ally of the United States. And sure you may claim that any connection of the US to the KLA is some conspiracy theory, but you will also have to completely dismiss the testimony of Milosovic himself: http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/201502

Of course, you may just want to claim that he was a raving lunatic, even though he was an attorney and originally close ally of Washington. You may want to look at Michael Parenti's work on the subject. A short essay is here:

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html

And by the way, in the last two years, I have dated both a woman who was a Serbian whose father was killed in the war, and a Muslim Albanian Kosovar whose family had to leave the country and relocate. But I would not use either one of these experiences to suggest that somehow I "knew" what was going on in these conflicts (though they both told me their versions). I think that you'll have to come up with a bit more evidence than your "hunches" about Albanian Kosovars and your Bosnian film.

I suggest that you take a closer look at the networks of CIA use of drugs as a weapons to finance "black operations" since the inception of the agency. And maybe when your recognize the role of the KLA in funneling drugs such as heroin (from Afghanistan) throughout Europe, then the allegations might not seem so strange.

By the way, how do you think all of the Afghanistan opium production get distributed throughout Europe? Who is the country "in charge" of Afghanistan? Who funded and armed the KLA?

And you think the puppetmasters are not one and the same?

Stick around. We'll see where this winds up.; 1:45 AM
Samo Umer said...: Well, we are back to basics as with the neocons. You know well that I can't prove that not even Santa - does not exist.

But I can come up with flashy headlines - these are from my personal collection of would-be-imaginay-journism:

REPORT: EAST COAST WITHIN REACH OF IRANIAN NUKES
* ex-IDF general: "Mounting the case for preemptive strike could spell death of millions of innocent Americans."
* Terror expert: "More deadly attacks likely to follow."

IRAQ SOON TO BECOME THE ARAB SWITZERLAND
Embedded report: 4 years after fall of Saddam's regime, Iraq is thriving. Al-Qaeda marginalized.

LEAKED REPORT: IRAN READY TO STRIKE TARGETS IN WESTERN EUROPE
Tel Aviv based think-thank says iranian progress on a-bomb 'steadfast'.

ISLAMIC TERROR EXPOSED - INSIDE THE FAITH OF DEATH (20 pages weekend special)
- Latest study: historians update figures; islam believed to be 745 years behind West.
- Teheran confirms: 30.000 suicide bombers ready to hit western targets.

Believe or not, this is the world we live in. Facts and reality are just one of the options - to achieve.
I have "hunches" because there's nothin... nothing else left. Everything else is tainted with agendas and spins. Do you agree? OK, you quote Milošević on "Al-Qaeda links", now quote him on "Srebrenica" or better: the number of B-2 and B-1 shot down. These people are southerners, imagine fish-pedlers. They'll say anything "for a buck".

I mentioned the bosnian mujaheeds only illustrate the "reality" of these people here and how the same "fact" would be blown into space in some Washington News room creating a big, big story, a "greater picture", a conspiracy and 'links' all over the place.

This planet goes around even without america. These people can smuggle drugs, get weapons and kill each other even without the assistance of the oh-so-great CIA. I will not categorically exclude the possibility, I am open to a different ending of the story, however at this point there's little to lean upon.; 1:29 PM
Da Weaz said...: Cutting and pasting headlines does not suggest critical thinking.

You will actually have to make points here and DO reading if we are going to make any headway here.

If you find headlines from the National Inquirer, you will find some catchy headlines as well, but you will simply have to do better than that.

Perhaps that is the type of discourse that proves persuasive on sites for morons like Liveleak, but here we tend to be a bit more "reality based."

But you can try again after you have done some reading or found something relevant on THIS topic at hand.; 2:38 PM
Da Weaz said...: On the point of the CIA, there is an extensive history of drug connections.

Do you know about it? It has been pretty well documented.

Or are you going to rely on your "hunches" to explain the role of the CIA in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Afghanistan regarding heroin. And Bolivia, Peru, Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua and Colombia regarding cocaine.

At some point you will have to do some reading.

That is essential.; 2:41 PM
Samo Umer said...: I think due to cultural... differences, I failed to get my message across. I shared my precious collection of headlines as a stint to indicate how a few sound bites nowadays constitute a finite reality. It's glorious to headline with "Milošević links KLA to Al-Qaeda"... aha!! Yet in my opition (my hunch) he hold as much credibility as say Ari Fleisher, Ahmed Chalaby etc.

Or are you going to rely on your "hunches" to explain the role of the CIA in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Afghanistan regarding heroin. And Bolivia, Peru, Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua and Colombia regarding cocaine.

I am briefly acquainted with all these issues, I think "it's all true", however my point is afghans were smuggling drugs long before CIA had even a map of Afghanistan and long after all the say "incriminating" files went through the paper-shreder. Yes?

Now, when you direct me to the library [sic], you imply as if there is an "objective" truth I am oblivious to, because I am sure Rice's, Kristol's, Cheney's professors wrote books too and I am sure I can find books backed with "facts" about "communists smuggling drugs to finance terror" etc. Am I wrong?; 3:12 PM
Da Weaz said...: "I am briefly acquainted with all these issues, I think "it's all true", however my point is afghans were smuggling drugs long before CIA had even a map of Afghanistan and long after all the say "incriminating" files went through the paper-shreder. Yes?"

No. Please tell me where you get your information that before the 1970's the Afghanis were smuggling heroin. The centers of such production were the "Golden Triangle": Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and parts of Thialand, which as you might be aware, there was a certain war in which a certain nation was involved.

As I say, your hunches will not get you very far. But we can take this step by step, and soon things may become a bit clearer for you.

Facts matter.; 3:34 PM
Da Weaz said...: "communists smuggling drugs to finance terror" etc. Am I wrong?

Instead of telling me what you can or cannot do, prove it.

Find the books that you claim. Read the books. Tell me, then. Speak from a perspective of knowledge, not this confident ignorance that anybody can say anything.

Reading is fundamental.

Critical thinking is essential.; 3:35 PM
Samo Umer said...: I feel cornered here. Help! Anybody! Wikipedia?

:-); 3:43 PM
Da Weaz said...: Don't worry, weazl is here to the rescue. Here's some help:

http://tinyurl.com/34bnxd

Sadly, it might take a little longer to absorb than a Wikipedia article.

Hence, the truth remains buried for so many people.

For many, reading sux.

Much easier to rely on hunches.

;-); 3:52 PM
Da Weaz said...: And, not so ironically, we have come around full circle.

To get a great picture of the above, you can read a book by the brilliant Peter Dale Scott:

http://tinyurl.com/3895q3

;-); 3:54 PM
Samo Umer said...: un-relentless weazl... lucky for me I never shot gay porn....

later (with wizZdom); 4:09 PM
Da Weaz said...: Well, you're a good guy. Stick around and we'll get somewhere.

Cheers.; 4:34 PM

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